Pimble / Pymble One-Name Study
My maternal grandmother was Alice Mary PIMBLE
Do you need any help finding your PI(Y)MBLE ancestors? Can you help?
Registered with The Guild of One-Name Studies membership number 1788
Sunday, July 12, 2015
Websites
The main one (today) is hosted by Simply Hostings and has PIMBLE & PYMBLE data including lots of images of Census records, Baptism, Marriage and Burial records. This website can be reached here PIMBLE and PYMBLE
You need to register to access the site.
The newest website is hosted by the Guild of One-Name studies and is here
Pimble and Pymble ONS
This latter website is open to the public, has much less images and has living people information suppressed.
I am interested in your feedback and also your stories.
Monday, September 08, 2014
I have had my old website hacked and had to take it down. However the good news is that I am back on-line with a new domain address www.pymble.info
Saturday, December 29, 2012
Ross Workhouse in 1871
By the time of the 1871 census John had died (in 1857) and Sarah had remarried.
Some of their family members would be in the Ross Workhouse on the night of 2 Apr 1871.
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where born
PYMBLE, Emma Inmate Female 30 1841 Herefordshire (daughter-in-law, wife of son James who died in 1864 aged just 28)
PYMBLE, James Inmate Male 9 1862 Herefordshire (grandson, child of James and Emma)
PYMBLE, Sarah Ann Inmate Female 11 1860 Herefordshire (granddaughter, child of James and Emma)
PYMBLE, Emily Inmate Female 6 1865 Herefordshire (granddaughter, child of James and Emma)
PYMBLE, Elinda Inmate Female 2 1869 Herefordshire (granddaughter, child of James and Emma)
PYMBLE, Harriet Inmate Female 19 1852 Herefordshire (granddaughter, child of son John and Mary)
PYMBLE, Albert Edwd Inmate Male 2 1869 Herefordshire (great grandson, son of Harriett)
RUDGE, Geo Inmate Male 7 1864 Herefordshire (grandson, child of daughter Jane)
RUDGE, Edith Inmate Female 9 1862 Herefordshire (granddaughter, child of daughter Jane)
Most of them went on to live productive lives and many having successful marriages with children.
In today's environment in the UK they would no doubt have been regarded as 'the undeserving poor'.
Monday, July 04, 2011
Sally Pimble pitch Maisemore, Gloucestershire
The Pitch is on the Over Old Road heading out of the village and before Hiams Lane. (map 51.9053, -2.2820).
What is interesting is that I have no record of a Sally Pimble having been born anywhere! However Sally is sometimes used as pet form of Sarah.
This is potentially Sarah Ann PIMBLE (nee NEWMAN) born 1839 and who died aged 89 in 1928. She is shown variously as living at Woolridge and on Old Road. Sarah married Samuel PIMBLE (born 1838) on 14 November 1859. Samuel though died in 1864 aged just 26.
Thomas son of Samuel and Sarah Ann emigrated to the US via Canada. Thomas married Mary Elizabeth BAKER in Canada and many of their descendants were born in Pennsylvania.
Friday, June 24, 2011
New style Pimble Facebook group set up
I have set up a new style Facebook Pimble & Pymble group all old FB members are welcome as are any others interested in these surnames. The New FB group is Pimble & Pymble Family History (One-Name study)
Friday, March 25, 2011
South Wales, United Kingdom and New South Wales, Australia
I had thought they were, even though I had no documentary evidence to support my belief.
DNA evidence from the Norfolk branch of the PIMBLE's, who are related directly to the South Wales PIMBLE's, seems to suggest the SW & NSW PIMBLE / PYMBLE are two different families. It would be great though to confirm this conclusion and the only way to do that is via a 'Y'chromosome test..
The two South Wales brothers who are known to have emigrated to the US after WWI did not leave any known descendants.
There are three extant branches of PIMBLE's in the US, one related to the NSW PYMBLE's and one branch where we are not sure if they match with any of the UK originating groups - it would be nice to know.
Saturday, November 13, 2010
Monday, October 11, 2010
PIMBLE / PYMBLE 'Y' Chromosome DNA project
We know that the Australian and UK West Midlands PIMBLE / PYMBLE are related, which means that the PIMBLE's in Rhode Island are a part of the same family grouping.
However for the other PIMBLE's in Washington and New York and in the UK including South Wales we are uncertain..
I have two test packs that are available FREE to eligible PIMBLE's if anyone is prepared to participate in the project, the kit normally costs $169. The hope is to try and relate the different branches of the names PIMBLE & PYMBLE. Any questions feel free to contact me.
We think have go as far as we can with paper records and it is only through the 'Y' Chromosome test that we can proceed further.
Gerald
Tuesday, October 05, 2010
Birth Certificates - PIMBLE / PYMBLE
Obviously as Certificates are expensive I have had to be selective about which one I obtained. In all I have todate obtained 72 and these are now available to view on the website.
This is in addition to copies of the 105 original or transcribed Marriage Certificates that are viewable.
See the 'Pimble / Pymble website' link on the right
Tuesday, August 17, 2010
Most popular PIMBLE / PYMBLE names
William, John, Thomas, Ann, Elizabeth, Mary, Sarah, George, James, Charles, Richard, Robert, Alice, Eliza, Susan, David, Albert, Alfred, Hannah, Jane, Margaret, Frances, Henry, Samuel, Edward, Philip, Joseph, Raymond, Reginald & Stephen
Sunday, August 01, 2010
Maisemore church and a few PIMBLE headstones
I met a very kind lady who explained the local history society headstone project, she showed me the project results and helped me find the PIMBLE headstones. Very Many thanks.
In addition she gave me sight of some transcriptions of Parish Registers that her aunt had compiled. An extremely kind gesture and one which resulted in me being able to break down one of my 'brickwalls'
The headstone photos together with details of the people involved are now up on the Pimble website. Visit the PIMBLE / PYMBLE website Pimble/Pymble website
Sunday, July 18, 2010
William Pimble born 1832 Cheltenham, England, died Rhode Island, US 1909
This new information, together with the new Rhode Island records available on Ancestry has enabled us to create a link between the Rhode Island PIMBLE family and the descendants of George PIMBLE. George who died in Aston, Birmingham in 1849.
This is a significant breakthrough and means we now have links of Rhode Island to the UK Midlands but also through 'Y' DNA we can link the UK Midlands PIMBLEs and to the Australian PYMBLEs. By implication therefore the Rhode Island and Australian groups are related.
There is still much research work to be done to explain some inconsistencies and obtain currently missing information but it is a great step forward. Thanks Katie
Saturday, July 17, 2010
William Pimble born 1827 dies in Bengal in 1852
A website says:
The 61st (South Gloucestershire) Regiment of Foot was an infantry regiment of the British Army, created in 1758 and amalgamated into The Gloucestershire Regiment in 1881.
The 61 was despatched to India in 1845, and did not return home until 1860. Duting this period it took part in the Sikh War, fought at Sadoolapore, Chillianwallah, and Goojerat, was engaged in the frontier war near Peshawur in 1851, and finally at the siege of Delhi during the Mutiny.
I need to do more research but this may explain why a William born in Cheltenham did not appear on census records after 1841. The Glosters Museum is due a visit I think.
Sunday, June 20, 2010
During February 1919 in Gloucester Alfred PIMBLE, his daughter and granddaughter died
Two of the Wills were for father and daughter Alfred and Emily PIMBLE, both of 70 Melbourne Road, Gloucester.
Alfred PIMBLE died on 8th February aged 76. he left his estate which included three houses in Melbourne Road, to his sole surviving daughter Emily. However sadly Emily died on the 27 February at the age of 53 and before Probate of Alfred's Will had been granted. Emily made her Will on the 24 February just 3 days before her own demise. Emily left her estate to her niece Gwendoline STRONG, Gwendoline's sister Phylis having died on the 18th February!
Separate causes of death? or a common cause? - I'll try newspaper cuttings first, other than that, can I justify the nearly £30 in certificates to find out!
The wills are to be found on www.pimble.info, though you will need to sign up for free access to get sight of the documents.
Friday, June 11, 2010
Mrs Emma PYMBLE widow of Thomas Philip PYMBLE - Tragic village fire
Tragic Village Fire - Nonagenarian sisters burnt to death - Gallant attempts at rescue - Graphic story told at inquest.
A destructive fire, resulting in the death of two aged sisters, occurred at a cottage known as Underhill, Hoarwithy, on Friday night. The occupants of the cottage, Mrs Emma PYMBLE, a widow, and Miss WHEELER, her sister whose respective ages were 91 and 93 were burnt to death, before help could be given them. The cottage and practically all the household furniture were destroyed.
for full newspaper report visit www.pimble.info
Bankruptcy of Hentland Farmer - Ross Gazette 20 December 1893
Sunday, June 06, 2010
Was Robert PYMBLE born in Llanfrother?
It is sometimes claimed that Robert PYMBLE, who emigrated to Australia in 1821, was born there.
This seems unlikely, though Robert was baptised in Hentland in 1776. The PYMBLE family earliest documented connection with Llanfrother that I have found so far is in the 1850's from the Electoral Roll.
Robert's parents were Philip PYMBLE born 1739 and Mary WATKINS born c.1745. His parentage is known from his Death Certificate. Robert died in 1861 in Australia and the details of parentage were provided by James PYMBLE, son of Robert.
For many years we have been unable to find a marriage between Philip PYMBLE and Mary WATKINS. However we now know they were married in 1771 in Gloucester.
Land Tax Assessment helps us understand who occupied prpoerties and is a Tax created in 1692 during the reign of William and Mary to raise revenues and continued in place until 1963.
Assessments for the Parish of Hentland show that the MYND family were owners of Llanfrother between 1777 and 1791, as no seperate statement of occupancy is made at this time it is not possible to be sure whether the MYND family or tenants occupied the farm at that stage. The MYND family continue to be owners until 1827, however we know that John JAMES was the occupier between 1793 and 1809. Between 1811 and 1827 the occupier changes to Samuel EDWARDS.
Whether by Sale or Inheritance ownership of Llanfrother changes to Richard EVANS for the period 1829 - 1831 after which Land Tax assessments are not available in the Hereford Archives.
We know from the Census that Thomas GUY and family occupied Llanfrother in 1841.
In 1860 Thomas PYMBLE purchased the Farm for £15,000 and the Bristol Mercury recorded at the time that Thomas had occupied the Farm for many years. The 1858 Cassey Directory for Herefordshire certainly shows Thomas Pymble as Farmer in residence at Llanfrother.
This same Thomas was the son of Philip, Robert's elder brother (Robert's nephew therefore). Thomas was also the younger brother of Susannah, who married Captain John H LISTER, and who died in Australia in 1889.
Thomas died in 1888 and subsequently his son Thomas Philip occupied the farm but was declared bankrupt in 1893. More of this later.
If you can help refine this then I would love to hear from you.
Tuesday, April 20, 2010
Marriage of Philip PYMBLE to Mary WATKINS, parents of Robert PYMBLE
For years I have been trying (not hard enough obviously) to find out where Philip and Mary were married.
Philip and Mary were the parents of Robert PYMBLE born 1776 who emigrated to Australia in 1821. All of their children were born in Hentland, Herefordshire.
At last and thanks to the wonderful transcribing efforts of the Forest of Dean Family History people, we now know they were married in Gloucester at the Church of St Michael on the 26 September 1771.
One brick-wall demolished, many others to tackle ..........
Friday, March 26, 2010
Who was Hannah SHERIFF?
Details
Prisoners Rank & Name: Private Thos. Pimble
Regiment: 23rd
Court Martial held: 5 May 1831
Proceeding laid before King: 28 June 1831
Substance of Charges: Attempting to shoot his Sergeant
Sentence approved by His Majesty: Transport for 14 years to N S Wales
(23rd = 23rd Regiment of Foot which later became Royal Welch Fusiliers)
but what has this to do with Hannah SHERIFF?
From the Annotated Printed Convict Indents 1831-1835 (AO Real 907), List of Male Convicts by the Ship Asia (9), Thomas Stead, Master.
Standing No of Convict: 32-399
Indent No: 200
Name: Thomas Pimble
Age: 25
Education (R Reads, W Writes): None
Religion: Protestant
Single, Married or Widowed: Single
Children (Male, Female): (blank)
Native Place: Hereford
Trade or Calling: Ploughs, sows, soldier
Offence: Threatening to shoot
Where tried: Gibraltar Court Martial
When tried: 5th May, 1831
Sentence: 14 Years
Former Conviction: None
Height: 5ft 6ins
Colour of Hair: Brown
Colour of Eyes: Brown
Particular Marks or Scars: Mermaid on right arm, Hannah Sheriff on left.
He may have been a runaway in 1836.
He was given a ticket of leave in 1843 but what happened to him? and who was Hannah SHERIFF?
Saturday, March 20, 2010
UK Marriage Certificates 1837 to 1917
These either comprise copies of original certificates I have bought or alternatively Faux certificates created from transcriptions of the certificates I have viewed at the appropriate County Archives office.
Visit the PIMBLE / PYMBLE website Pimble/Pymble website
Certificates currently cost £7 a time, rising to £9 shortly, if you have copies that you are prepared to donate then I would be very pleased to receive them.
Wednesday, March 10, 2010
Pimble / Pymble births in the UK - video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv9DmADQhDI
Tuesday, February 23, 2010
US Census records - work in progress
My initial focus is to add PIMBLE US Census information and then move on to England & Wales pre-1837 Marriages. Baptisms and Burials after that. Sample of these are available on the Archive now @
searchable Archive
Later I plan to add copies of Marriage certificates to the main Pimble website at
main PIMBLE website
Later still, and if I can find people to donate a copy, old photos of past PIMBLE generations.
Lots to do ............
Tuesday, February 02, 2010
Most recent DNA result
This tells us that though Robert PYMBLE born c.1776 (emigrated to Australia in 1821) and George PIMBLE born c.1798(died in Aston, Birmingham in 1849) share a common ancestor, John PYMBLE born c.1782 does not appear to be related to them.
It would be great to find out if John, George or Robert are related to any of the other UK or US based PIMBLEs.
I have two free kits, if there any PIMBLE / PYMBLE descendants who would like to participate in this voyage of discovery to find out where their ancestors fitted in.
Monday, February 01, 2010
Pimble / Pymble Deaths in England & Wales 1837 to 1983
This is in addition to Births and Marriages for the same period and Census records from 1841 through to and including 1911.
If you are looking for BMD's or census records then the Archive is searchable at
searchable Archive
Tuesday, November 24, 2009
Roger Pimble - Charity School
Charity-school.
Roger Pimble, Gent. in the year 1645, gave the Lion Inn (on the site of which are now two leasehold houses, lately let at 141. 10s. per annum), for the maintenance of a free school. About the same time the parish, with a sum of money raised by voluntary contribution, purchased a house called the Catherine-wheel, which was converted into a school-house.
In 1698 Mrs. Catherine Dickins gave 501. to be laid out to the best advantage for the maintenance of a school. With this money, and another legacy of 401. left by Mrs. Mary Carnaby to the poor, was purchased the Goat alehouse, now let at 201.. per annum, the whole of which is, by a resolution of vestry, appropriated to the school. The present school-house was erected about the year 1707, by subscription, at the expence of 3181. (fn. 298) Dr. Millington, anno 1724, bequeathed to the school a third part of the rent of 24 computed acres of land at Acton, now producing about 121. per annum. The house adjoining to the school was purchased by the trustees; and is let at 20 l. per annum. They have the lease also of another house let at 141., but their interest in it expires within three years. About the time that the present school-house was built (viz. in 1708), Queen Anne granted an annuity of 50 l. to this charity, and Prince George of Denmark one of 301. When King George I. came to the throne, he confirmed both grants. This donation of 801. per annum has been continued ever since from the crown. The school fund has been augmented during the present century, by benefactions in money, to the amount of 23001. South Sea Stock (fn. 299) . With these endowments, aided by collections at four annual charity sermons preached at Kensington-church and Brompton-chapel, 22 boys and 11 girls are taught, clothed, and maintained in the school-house. Every boy when he leaves the school receives an apprentice-fee of 51. out of Lady Campden's benefaction. The girls go out to service, and if they continue 12 months in their place, are rewarded with a premium of 20s. (fn. 299)
Kensington - Roger Pimble
Lord and Lady Campden in 1635 bequeathed £200, with which, including a benefaction of £45, supposed to have been given by Oliver Cromwell, and called Cromwell's gift, an estate was purchased producing nearly £200 per annum, one moiety of which was to be given to the poor, and the other appropriated to the apprenticing of children. Six almshouses were built in 1652, by William Methwold, who endowed them with sixteen acres of land, for the support of aged women; and there are numerous other gifts for the relief of the poor.
The union of Kensington consists of five parishes or places, containing a population of 114,952. Here are several chalybeate springs, which were formerly in repute, though now little noticed. Charles Boyle, Earl of Orrery, born in 1674; and Charles Pratt, Earl Camden, lord high chancellor; were natives of Kensington. —See Brompton.
The English Civil War (1641-1651)
The Civil War led to the trial and execution of Charles I, the exile of his son, Charles II, and replacement of English monarchy with first, the Commonwealth of England (1649–53), and then with a Protectorate (1653–59), under Oliver Cromwell's personal rule. The monopoly of the Church of England on Christian worship in England ended with the victors consolidating the established Protestant Ascendancy in Ireland.
Constitutionally, the wars established the precedent that an English monarch cannot govern without Parliament's consent, although this concept was legally established only with the Glorious Revolution later in the century.
State Papers - Charles I - Roger PIMBLE
VIII. 28. Letter signed "Jo Lincoln, elect Custos Sigilli" (fn. 45) to the Lord Mayor and Court of Aldermen, soliciting the Freedom for Roger Pimble.
May 10, 1625
Chiswick.43. Francis Lord Russell to Sec. Conway. Pimble, a post-master at Charing Cross, has refused to convey a packet containing a letter from his Majesty, with the writer's directions to the Dep. Lieuts. of Devon to act thereon, by pressing 400 men, and to have them ready on the 25th inst.
Dec. 5, 1627
Charing Cross.19. Roger Pimble, post at Charing Cross, [to the same ?]. Explains the occasion of the delay in delivery of packets for the Lord Chamberlain and Lord Holland, received by the writer on the 1st inst.
July 27, 1637
Westminster. 66. Warrant to pay to Secs. Coke and Windebank, Masters and Comptrollers-General of the Posts, 500l., to be paid to Anthony Buckbury for arrears, to be paid to his deputy for execution of the postmaster's place of the Court, until 24th June last, and also the amounts due to the several postmasters following, up to the 27th September next, on the allowances after mentioned; viz., to Thomas Swinsed, of Ware, 3s. per diem; Thomas Hagger, of Royston, 4s. 4d.; Ralph Shert, of Babraham, 2s.; John Cotterill, of Newmarket, 4s. 4d.; John Riggshis and William Kilborne, late of Huntingdon, 2s.; James Cropper, of Witham, 2s.; Richard Leeming, of Grantham, 2s.; Thomas Atkinson, of Newark, 2s. 4d.; Edward Wright, of Scrooby, 2s.; Edmund Hayford, of Doncaster, 2s.; Edmund Bawne, of Ferrybridge, 2s. 6d.; Thomas Tayler, of Tadcaster, 1s. 8d.; John Howsman, of York, 2s.; William Thompson, of Wetherbury [Wetherby ?], 2s.; Andrew Wilkinson, of Boroughbridge, 3s.; John Scarlet, of North Allerton, 2s. 4d.; John Glover, of Darlington, 2s. 4d.; William Sherrington, of Durham; 2s. 4d.; George Swan, of Newcastle, 3s.; John Pye, of Morpeth, 3s.; Alexander Armorer, of Alnwick, 3s.; Thomas Armorer, of Belford, 3s.; Thomas Carre, of Berwick, 2s. 4d.; James Ware, of Dartford, 2s. 6d.; Thomas Lord, of Gravesend, 6d.; Richard Jennings, of Sittingbourne, 2s.; Thomas Parks, of London, 2s.; Roger Pimble, of Charing Cross, 2s.; John Briscoe, of Barnet, 2s.; Robert Story, of St. Albans, 2s.; John Gerrard, of Brickhill, 2s.; Andrew Clarke, of Daventry, 2s.; John Fletcher, of Coventry, 2s. 8d.; Ralph Castlon, of Birmingham, 2s.; Robert Francis, of Chester, 2s. 4d.; James Wilkinson, of Staines, 2s.; Gilbert Davies, of Hartford Bridge, 1s. 8d.; Anthony Spittle, of Basingstoke, 1s. 8d.; Richard Miles, late of Salisbury, 1s. 8d.; Roger Bedbury, now of Salisbury, 1s. 8d.; Nicholas Compton, of Shaftesbury, 1s. 8d.; John Smith, of Sherborne, 1s. 8d.; Robert Searle, of Honiton, 1s. 8d.; Thomas Newman, of Exeter. 2s.; Samuel Smith, of Brentwood, 2s. 6d.; William Neale, of Chelmsford, 2s. 6d.; Robert Bunny, of Witham, 2s.; Henry Barron, of Looe, 2s. 6d.; Joshua Blaxton, of Perryn, 2s.; Gilbert Davies, of Hartford Bridge, 2s. 6d.; William Brooks, of Portsmouth, 2s. 6d.; Rowland Roberts, late of Langfenny, and Richard Roberts, in present service there, 2s.; and William Folkingham, of Stamford, 2s. [Parchment. 29 lines.]
Wednesday, November 18, 2009
Bandsman Joseph PIMBLE born 1887
Friday, October 23, 2009
Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) testing
A contact in Australia tells me she is descended through the mother line to Mary Jenison who married Robert Pymble. It would be interesting if there are others who have taken the test to prove a similar connection, or who may have thought to have the test.
A person's matrilineal or mothers-line ancestry can be traced using the DNA in his or her mitochondria, the mtDNA, as follows: This mtDNA is passed down by the mother unchanged, to all children. If a perfect match is found to another person's mtDNA test results one may find a common ancestor in the other relative's (matrilineal) "information table", similar to the patrilineal or Y-DNA testing.
However, because mtDNA mutations are very rare, a nearly perfect match is not as helpful as it is for the above patrilineal case -- in the matrilineal case it takes a perfect match to be very helpful.
Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) testing
Sunday, September 27, 2009
MOST WANTED - George Pimble
At the time of the 1841 Census George was living in Staffordshire and he appears to have declared that he, his wife Ann (nee Brown) and all of his children to that point, were also born in Staffordshire. We know from later census entries and birth records that wasn't the case.
Unfortunately George died in 1849 and it wasn't until 1851 Census that birthplace was declared so we have clarification from him about his birthplace.
George married Ann Brown in 1829 Swindon Village, Cheltenham.
For many years we have been trying to find where George was born, in order to connect him with his parents and other branches of the PIMBLE family tree.
We do know from DNA testing that George shares a distant common ancestor with Robert PYMBLE who emigrated to Australia in 1821. Robert was born in Hentland in Herefordshire.
If anyone has an alternative ideas about George's birthplace or an old photo of George I would be delighted to hear from you.
Gerald
Tuesday, July 28, 2009
Earliest PIMBLE / PYMBLE events?
What's the earliest Pimble stuff we have?
Sarah Pimble's grave 1726 ...
Thomas Pymble's Will 1531 ...
Earliest photo - Robert Pymble before 1861
Earlies signature ...
Anything earlier you know of?
I wonder if any US based PIMBLE have any early photographs? or is aware of any other early events?