William Pimble born 1827 dies in Bengal in 1852

William was serving as a Private with the 61st (South Gloucestershire) Regiment of Foot and is reported to have died in Kussowlie.

A website says:

The 61st (South Gloucestershire) Regiment of Foot was an infantry regiment of the British Army, created in 1758 and amalgamated into The Gloucestershire Regiment in 1881.

The 61 was despatched to India in 1845, and did not return home until 1860. Duting this period it took part in the Sikh War, fought at Sadoolapore, Chillianwallah, and Goojerat, was engaged in the frontier war near Peshawur in 1851, and finally at the siege of Delhi during the Mutiny.

I need to do more research but this may explain why a William born in Cheltenham did not appear on census records after 1841. The Glosters Museum is due a visit I think.

During February 1919 in Gloucester Alfred PIMBLE, his daughter and granddaughter died

I visited Gloucester Archive last Tuesday to take photos of some key PIMBLE documents and these including some of the Wills available.

Two of the Wills were for father and daughter Alfred and Emily PIMBLE, both of 70 Melbourne Road, Gloucester.

Alfred PIMBLE died on 8th February aged 76. he left his estate which included three houses in Melbourne Road, to his sole surviving daughter Emily. However sadly Emily died on the 27 February at the age of 53 and before Probate of Alfred's Will had been granted. Emily made her Will on the 24 February just 3 days before her own demise. Emily left her estate to her niece Gwendoline STRONG, Gwendoline's sister Phylis having died on the 18th February!

Separate causes of death? or a common cause? - I'll try newspaper cuttings first, other than that, can I justify the nearly £30 in certificates to find out!

The wills are to be found on www.pimble.info, though you will need to sign up for free access to get sight of the documents.

Mrs Emma PYMBLE widow of Thomas Philip PYMBLE - Tragic village fire

Extract from Ross Gazette report of 7 January 1937

Tragic Village Fire - Nonagenarian sisters burnt to death - Gallant attempts at rescue - Graphic story told at inquest.

A destructive fire, resulting in the death of two aged sisters, occurred at a cottage known as Underhill, Hoarwithy, on Friday night. The occupants of the cottage, Mrs Emma PYMBLE, a widow, and Miss WHEELER, her sister whose respective ages were 91 and 93 were burnt to death, before help could be given them. The cottage and practically all the household furniture were destroyed.

for full newspaper report visit www.pimble.info

Bankruptcy of Hentland Farmer - Ross Gazette 20 December 1893

Thomas Philip PYMBLE, Farmer, Llanfrother, Hentland, appeared on Friday at the Hereford County Court for his public examination in bankruptcy by Mr M J G Scobie, the official receiver. The debtor's gross liabilities amounted to £11605 3s 5d, but the securities were estimated at £11000, leaving £605 3s 5d due to unsecured creditors. There were no assets whatever.The bankrupt said he had been carrying on business since 1888, when his father died, and he then had assets amounting to £1230. At the same time, however, he assumed his father's liabilities amounting to £1172 17s 4d. The whole of the latter sum with the exception of an overdraft at the banker's of £764 16s 10d, he had paid in full. In addition to the other assets named, he had suceeeded his father in the possession of the real property, which, however, was mortgaged to the extent of £11000. On July 30th one of the mortgagees for £10000 seized possession of the whole of the stock and effects, and executed a sale. The bankrupt attributed his failure to depreciation in land and farming stock and to paying £400 a year as interest on money on £10000 mortgage, being £150 in excess of the present value of the property.

Was Robert PYMBLE born in Llanfrother?

Llanfrother Farm is a Grade II listed building near the village of Hentland in Herefordshire. It is a 17th century building with more recent additions.

It is sometimes claimed that Robert PYMBLE, who emigrated to Australia in 1821, was born there.

This seems unlikely, though Robert was baptised in Hentland in 1776. The PYMBLE family earliest documented connection with Llanfrother that I have found so far is in the 1850's from the Electoral Roll.

Robert's parents were Philip PYMBLE born 1739 and Mary WATKINS born c.1745. His parentage is known from his Death Certificate. Robert died in 1861 in Australia and the details of parentage were provided by James PYMBLE, son of Robert.

For many years we have been unable to find a marriage between Philip PYMBLE and Mary WATKINS. However we now know they were married in 1771 in Gloucester.

Land Tax Assessment helps us understand who occupied prpoerties and is a Tax created in 1692 during the reign of William and Mary to raise revenues and continued in place until 1963.

Assessments for the Parish of Hentland show that the MYND family were owners of Llanfrother between 1777 and 1791, as no seperate statement of occupancy is made at this time it is not possible to be sure whether the MYND family or tenants occupied the farm at that stage. The MYND family continue to be owners until 1827, however we know that John JAMES was the occupier between 1793 and 1809. Between 1811 and 1827 the occupier changes to Samuel EDWARDS.

Whether by Sale or Inheritance ownership of Llanfrother changes to Richard EVANS for the period 1829 - 1831 after which Land Tax assessments are not available in the Hereford Archives.

We know from the Census that Thomas GUY and family occupied Llanfrother in 1841.

In 1860 Thomas PYMBLE purchased the Farm for £15,000 and the Bristol Mercury recorded at the time that Thomas had occupied the Farm for many years. The 1858 Cassey Directory for Herefordshire certainly shows Thomas Pymble as Farmer in residence at Llanfrother.

This same Thomas was the son of Philip, Robert's elder brother (Robert's nephew therefore). Thomas was also the younger brother of Susannah, who married Captain John H LISTER, and who died in Australia in 1889.

Thomas died in 1888 and subsequently his son Thomas Philip occupied the farm but was declared bankrupt in 1893. More of this later.

If you can help refine this then I would love to hear from you.

Marriage of Philip PYMBLE to Mary WATKINS, parents of Robert PYMBLE

They say that everything comes to those that wait!

For years I have been trying (not hard enough obviously) to find out where Philip and Mary were married.

Philip and Mary were the parents of Robert PYMBLE born 1776 who emigrated to Australia in 1821. All of their children were born in Hentland, Herefordshire.

At last and thanks to the wonderful transcribing efforts of the Forest of Dean Family History people, we now know they were married in Gloucester at the Church of St Michael on the 26 September 1771.

One brick-wall demolished, many others to tackle ..........

Who was Hannah SHERIFF?

In 1831, in Gibraltar, Thomas PIMBLE was sentenced to be transported to Australia for threatening to shoot his Sergeant.

Details
Prisoners Rank & Name: Private Thos. Pimble
Regiment: 23rd
Court Martial held: 5 May 1831
Proceeding laid before King: 28 June 1831
Substance of Charges: Attempting to shoot his Sergeant
Sentence approved by His Majesty: Transport for 14 years to N S Wales

(23rd = 23rd Regiment of Foot which later became Royal Welch Fusiliers)

but what has this to do with Hannah SHERIFF?

From the Annotated Printed Convict Indents 1831-1835 (AO Real 907), List of Male Convicts by the Ship Asia (9), Thomas Stead, Master.
Standing No of Convict: 32-399
Indent No: 200
Name: Thomas Pimble
Age: 25
Education (R Reads, W Writes): None
Religion: Protestant
Single, Married or Widowed: Single
Children (Male, Female): (blank)
Native Place: Hereford
Trade or Calling: Ploughs, sows, soldier
Offence: Threatening to shoot
Where tried: Gibraltar Court Martial
When tried: 5th May, 1831
Sentence: 14 Years
Former Conviction: None
Height: 5ft 6ins
Colour of Hair: Brown
Colour of Eyes: Brown
Particular Marks or Scars: Mermaid on right arm, Hannah Sheriff on left.

He may have been a runaway in 1836.

He was given a ticket of leave in 1843 but what happened to him? and who was Hannah SHERIFF?

UK Marriage Certificates 1837 to 1917

I have loaded and linked the majority of available Marriage Certificates for UK PIMBLE / PYMBLE marriages in the period 1837 to 1917.

These either comprise copies of original certificates I have bought or alternatively Faux certificates created from transcriptions of the certificates I have viewed at the appropriate County Archives office.

Visit the PIMBLE / PYMBLE website Pimble/Pymble website

Certificates currently cost £7 a time, rising to £9 shortly, if you have copies that you are prepared to donate then I would be very pleased to receive them.

Pimble / Pymble births in the UK - video

I thought I would attempt to display births over time in a short video clip to illustrate where the name originally appeared and where people have moved.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv9DmADQhDI

US Census records - work in progress

The Archive facility on the Guild of One-Name Studies website has been recently enhanced and this means that it will be possible to add Baptisms, Marriages and Burials) from before Civil Registration in 1837 to the site. Even better it is also now possible to add non-UK information.

My initial focus is to add PIMBLE US Census information and then move on to England & Wales pre-1837 Marriages. Baptisms and Burials after that. Sample of these are available on the Archive now @
searchable Archive

Later I plan to add copies of Marriage certificates to the main Pimble website at
main PIMBLE website

Later still, and if I can find people to donate a copy, old photos of past PIMBLE generations.

Lots to do ............

Most recent DNA result

We have recently received back the DNA results for the first direct descendant of John PYMBLE born c.1782 to take a Y Chromosome test.

This tells us that though Robert PYMBLE born c.1776 (emigrated to Australia in 1821) and George PIMBLE born c.1798(died in Aston, Birmingham in 1849) share a common ancestor, John PYMBLE born c.1782 does not appear to be related to them.

It would be great to find out if John, George or Robert are related to any of the other UK or US based PIMBLEs.

I have two free kits, if there any PIMBLE / PYMBLE descendants who would like to participate in this voyage of discovery to find out where their ancestors fitted in.

Pimble / Pymble Deaths in England & Wales 1837 to 1983

I have just updated my archive on the Guild of One-Name Studies website to include Deaths from 1837 (when Civil Registration started) to 1983. This is for England and Wales only, I don't believe there are any deaths in Scotland or Northern Ireland.

This is in addition to Births and Marriages for the same period and Census records from 1841 through to and including 1911.

If you are looking for BMD's or census records then the Archive is searchable at

searchable Archive

Roger Pimble - Charity School

Charity-school.

Roger Pimble, Gent. in the year 1645, gave the Lion Inn (on the site of which are now two leasehold houses, lately let at 141. 10s. per annum), for the maintenance of a free school. About the same time the parish, with a sum of money raised by voluntary contribution, purchased a house called the Catherine-wheel, which was converted into a school-house.

In 1698 Mrs. Catherine Dickins gave 501. to be laid out to the best advantage for the maintenance of a school. With this money, and another legacy of 401. left by Mrs. Mary Carnaby to the poor, was purchased the Goat alehouse, now let at 201.. per annum, the whole of which is, by a resolution of vestry, appropriated to the school. The present school-house was erected about the year 1707, by subscription, at the expence of 3181. (fn. 298) Dr. Millington, anno 1724, bequeathed to the school a third part of the rent of 24 computed acres of land at Acton, now producing about 121. per annum. The house adjoining to the school was purchased by the trustees; and is let at 20 l. per annum. They have the lease also of another house let at 141., but their interest in it expires within three years. About the time that the present school-house was built (viz. in 1708), Queen Anne granted an annuity of 50 l. to this charity, and Prince George of Denmark one of 301. When King George I. came to the throne, he confirmed both grants. This donation of 801. per annum has been continued ever since from the crown. The school fund has been augmented during the present century, by benefactions in money, to the amount of 23001. South Sea Stock (fn. 299) . With these endowments, aided by collections at four annual charity sermons preached at Kensington-church and Brompton-chapel, 22 boys and 11 girls are taught, clothed, and maintained in the school-house. Every boy when he leaves the school receives an apprentice-fee of 51. out of Lady Campden's benefaction. The girls go out to service, and if they continue 12 months in their place, are rewarded with a premium of 20s. (fn. 299)

Kensington - Roger Pimble

The national school was originally founded as a parochial free school, in 1645, by Roger Pimble, who endowed it with tenements in the parish, the rents of which, augmented by subsequent benefactions, produce an income of more than £250 per annum; the premises, situated in High-street, are handsomely built of brick.

Lord and Lady Campden in 1635 bequeathed £200, with which, including a benefaction of £45, supposed to have been given by Oliver Cromwell, and called Cromwell's gift, an estate was purchased producing nearly £200 per annum, one moiety of which was to be given to the poor, and the other appropriated to the apprenticing of children. Six almshouses were built in 1652, by William Methwold, who endowed them with sixteen acres of land, for the support of aged women; and there are numerous other gifts for the relief of the poor.

The union of Kensington consists of five parishes or places, containing a population of 114,952. Here are several chalybeate springs, which were formerly in repute, though now little noticed. Charles Boyle, Earl of Orrery, born in 1674; and Charles Pratt, Earl Camden, lord high chancellor; were natives of Kensington. —See Brompton.

The English Civil War (1641-1651)

The English Civil War (1641–1651) was a series of armed conflicts and political machinations between Parliamentarians and Royalists. The first (1642–46) and second (1648–49) civil wars pitted the supporters of King Charles I against the supporters of the Long Parliament, while the third war (1649–51) saw fighting between supporters of King Charles II and supporters of the Rump Parliament. The Civil War ended with the Parliamentary victory at the Battle of Worcester on 3 September 1651.

The Civil War led to the trial and execution of Charles I, the exile of his son, Charles II, and replacement of English monarchy with first, the Commonwealth of England (1649–53), and then with a Protectorate (1653–59), under Oliver Cromwell's personal rule. The monopoly of the Church of England on Christian worship in England ended with the victors consolidating the established Protestant Ascendancy in Ireland.

Constitutionally, the wars established the precedent that an English monarch cannot govern without Parliament's consent, although this concept was legally established only with the Glorious Revolution later in the century.

State Papers - Charles I - Roger PIMBLE

1621
VIII. 28. Letter signed "Jo Lincoln, elect Custos Sigilli" (fn. 45) to the Lord Mayor and Court of Aldermen, soliciting the Freedom for Roger Pimble.

May 10, 1625
Chiswick.43. Francis Lord Russell to Sec. Conway. Pimble, a post-master at Charing Cross, has refused to convey a packet containing a letter from his Majesty, with the writer's directions to the Dep. Lieuts. of Devon to act thereon, by pressing 400 men, and to have them ready on the 25th inst.

Dec. 5, 1627
Charing Cross.19. Roger Pimble, post at Charing Cross, [to the same ?]. Explains the occasion of the delay in delivery of packets for the Lord Chamberlain and Lord Holland, received by the writer on the 1st inst.

July 27, 1637
Westminster. 66. Warrant to pay to Secs. Coke and Windebank, Masters and Comptrollers-General of the Posts, 500l., to be paid to Anthony Buckbury for arrears, to be paid to his deputy for execution of the postmaster's place of the Court, until 24th June last, and also the amounts due to the several postmasters following, up to the 27th September next, on the allowances after mentioned; viz., to Thomas Swinsed, of Ware, 3s. per diem; Thomas Hagger, of Royston, 4s. 4d.; Ralph Shert, of Babraham, 2s.; John Cotterill, of Newmarket, 4s. 4d.; John Riggshis and William Kilborne, late of Huntingdon, 2s.; James Cropper, of Witham, 2s.; Richard Leeming, of Grantham, 2s.; Thomas Atkinson, of Newark, 2s. 4d.; Edward Wright, of Scrooby, 2s.; Edmund Hayford, of Doncaster, 2s.; Edmund Bawne, of Ferrybridge, 2s. 6d.; Thomas Tayler, of Tadcaster, 1s. 8d.; John Howsman, of York, 2s.; William Thompson, of Wetherbury [Wetherby ?], 2s.; Andrew Wilkinson, of Boroughbridge, 3s.; John Scarlet, of North Allerton, 2s. 4d.; John Glover, of Darlington, 2s. 4d.; William Sherrington, of Durham; 2s. 4d.; George Swan, of Newcastle, 3s.; John Pye, of Morpeth, 3s.; Alexander Armorer, of Alnwick, 3s.; Thomas Armorer, of Belford, 3s.; Thomas Carre, of Berwick, 2s. 4d.; James Ware, of Dartford, 2s. 6d.; Thomas Lord, of Gravesend, 6d.; Richard Jennings, of Sittingbourne, 2s.; Thomas Parks, of London, 2s.; Roger Pimble, of Charing Cross, 2s.; John Briscoe, of Barnet, 2s.; Robert Story, of St. Albans, 2s.; John Gerrard, of Brickhill, 2s.; Andrew Clarke, of Daventry, 2s.; John Fletcher, of Coventry, 2s. 8d.; Ralph Castlon, of Birmingham, 2s.; Robert Francis, of Chester, 2s. 4d.; James Wilkinson, of Staines, 2s.; Gilbert Davies, of Hartford Bridge, 1s. 8d.; Anthony Spittle, of Basingstoke, 1s. 8d.; Richard Miles, late of Salisbury, 1s. 8d.; Roger Bedbury, now of Salisbury, 1s. 8d.; Nicholas Compton, of Shaftesbury, 1s. 8d.; John Smith, of Sherborne, 1s. 8d.; Robert Searle, of Honiton, 1s. 8d.; Thomas Newman, of Exeter. 2s.; Samuel Smith, of Brentwood, 2s. 6d.; William Neale, of Chelmsford, 2s. 6d.; Robert Bunny, of Witham, 2s.; Henry Barron, of Looe, 2s. 6d.; Joshua Blaxton, of Perryn, 2s.; Gilbert Davies, of Hartford Bridge, 2s. 6d.; William Brooks, of Portsmouth, 2s. 6d.; Rowland Roberts, late of Langfenny, and Richard Roberts, in present service there, 2s.; and William Folkingham, of Stamford, 2s. [Parchment. 29 lines.]

Bandsman Joseph PIMBLE born 1887

Joseph served with The Gloucestershire Regiment. Regimental number 7738.

This photo was taken around 1907. If you recognise him please get in touch.

Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) testing

A contact in Australia tells me she is descended through the mother line to Mary Jenison who married Robert Pymble. It would be interesting if there are others who have taken the test to prove a similar connection, or who may have thought to have the test.

A person's matrilineal or mothers-line ancestry can be traced using the DNA in his or her mitochondria, the mtDNA, as follows: This mtDNA is passed down by the mother unchanged, to all children. If a perfect match is found to another person's mtDNA test results one may find a common ancestor in the other relative's (matrilineal) "information table", similar to the patrilineal or Y-DNA testing.

However, because mtDNA mutations are very rare, a nearly perfect match is not as helpful as it is for the above patrilineal case -- in the matrilineal case it takes a perfect match to be very helpful.

Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) testing

Map of human migration out of Africa, according to Mitochondrial DNA. The numbers represent thousands of years before present time. The blue line represents the area covered in ice or tundra during the last great ice age. The North Pole is at the center. Africa, harboring the start of the migration, is at the top left and South America is at the far right.

MOST WANTED - George Pimble

George was born around 1796 - 1800. This from the 1841 UK Census where he declared his age as 40. On the 1841 Census ages for adults were rounded down to the nearest 5 years. This means he could be anywhere between 40 and 44 and 11 months.

At the time of the 1841 Census George was living in Staffordshire and he appears to have declared that he, his wife Ann (nee Brown) and all of his children to that point, were also born in Staffordshire. We know from later census entries and birth records that wasn't the case.

Unfortunately George died in 1849 and it wasn't until 1851 Census that birthplace was declared so we have clarification from him about his birthplace.

George married Ann Brown in 1829 Swindon Village, Cheltenham.

For many years we have been trying to find where George was born, in order to connect him with his parents and other branches of the PIMBLE family tree.

We do know from DNA testing that George shares a distant common ancestor with Robert PYMBLE who emigrated to Australia in 1821. Robert was born in Hentland in Herefordshire.

If anyone has an alternative ideas about George's birthplace or an old photo of George I would be delighted to hear from you.

Gerald

Earliest PIMBLE / PYMBLE events?

Lance Pymble in Australia (Lance is a direct descendant of Robert Pymble who emigrated to NSW in the early 1800's) asked me:

What's the earliest Pimble stuff we have?

Sarah Pimble's grave 1726 ...
Thomas Pymble's Will 1531 ...
Earliest photo - Robert Pymble before 1861
Earlies signature ...
Anything earlier you know of?

I wonder if any US based PIMBLE have any early photographs? or is aware of any other early events?