DNA project - update 30 July 2006

One more set of test results received for Arthur and these do not show a match with any of the other three PIMBLE / PYMBLEs tested so far. That gives us two that match and two others with no match.

We are really anxious to get more sign-ups to the project. If you are willing to volunteer please contact me. We would be delighted to hear from you.

New PYMBLE addition

The latest addition to the PIMBLE / PYMBLE clan (unless you know differently) born Feb 2006 in Australia, is Harrison. My Congratulations go to his parents.

Edwin & Ann PYMBLE married 1877 died 1895 and 1894

Edwin died aged 46 and wife Ann died aged just 35, leaving 7 children the youngest aged 2. The family were inevitably and tragically split up.

The three boys all served in the British Army during WW1 and unfortunately were all seriously injuried with one dying of his wounds in 1918.

Of the 4 girls, I knew something of two of them but of two others I had nothing as I'd been been unable to find any marriage or death records.

Within the last week I have been contacted by Brenda in South Africa. I know now that the two 'lost' girls emigrated to South Africa in the early 1900s. This explains why I was unable to find more detail in the UK.

Thanks to Brenda's co-operation I now have a clearer understanding of the family and their descendants who now live in South Africa, in US and one back working in the UK. THANK YOU BRENDA.

Hopefully the descendants have also gained from this interchange as I have been able to provide them details of their ancestors.

Sarah Pimble sentenced at Old Bailey, London in 1725

27 Aug 1725: Sarah Pimble was indicted for stealing a Piece of Cambrick value 20s. a scarf val. 10s &c. the goods of George Yarrow, July 27. Guilty 4s 10d - Transportation.

Sarah was transported to Maryland, US on 23 September 1725 and her arrival was confirmed.

If anyone in the US has any idea about what might have happened to Sarah, I would be very pleased to hear from you.

Punishment summary from The Old Bailey Proceedings, 27th August, 1725.

The Proceedings of the Old Bailey Ref: s17250827-1

Summary:

The Tryals being over, the Court proceeded to give Judgment as follows, viz.

Received Sentence of Death, Seven. Elizabeth Russel , alias Brown, Jane Wilkinson , William Grey , James Cliff , John Price , Thomas Woldridge , and John Little .

To be Whipt, Two.

Elizabeth Dudley , and Stephen Dowdell .

Burnt in the Hand Five.

Philip De le Gall , Henry Norris , and three former Convicts.

To be Transported, Forty Eight.

including Sarah Pimble

William Field , fined Twenty Marks, and to suffer Twelve Months Imprisonment.

Robert Lander , fined Ten Marks.

DNA project - update 28 June 2006

We now have the results from the three tests processed.

The results show that Charles from the US was not matched to Lance who is a descendant of Robert PYMBLE late of UK, who emigrated to Australia.

Lance is Haplogroup I (Haplogroup I dates to 23,000 years ago or longer. Lineages not in branches I1a, I1b or I1c are found distributed at low frequency throughout Europe.)

Charles is Haplogroup E3a (Haplogroup E3a is an Africa lineage. It is currently hypothesized that this haplogroup dispersed south from northern Africa within the last 3,000 years, by the Bantu agricultural expansion. E3a is also the most common lineage among African Americans.)

Derek, like Lance, is Haplogroup I.

Lance and Derek are probably related though there are differences at both the 25 and 37 marker level. Also see DNA Update of 22 April 2006.

The results of the other test in process, for Arthur, is expected in August.

PIMBLE / PYMBLE DNA Project

Reginald Pimble born 1888 in Ross-on-Wye, Herefordshire

Some little time ago I received an email from Paul Nixon with reference to Reginald PIMBLE who was injured in the First World War. Paul was, and is, researching the background to Hickwells and Beechlands in Chailey Parish used as convalecent homes during 1914-1918 and also the men and women who were present.

I was able to provide a litle background information about Reginald but this was before I came to be in contact with his surviving daughter Kathleen Isabella still living in Gloucester.

Its a fascinating story, visit Chailey 1914-1918 for more information.

Follow this link to read the specific entry for Reginald.

DNA test - Mine

Well, thats pretty efficient, I ordered the kit from the US last Wednesday, it was delivered, in the UK, this Morning (Monday).

The Kit seems well designed, the packet containing the scrapers is easy to open. The scraper again is well designed and permits easy ejection of the scraper end into the tube provided. Easy to do with two hands ensuring not to contaminate the scraper.

Have just taken the first swap, scraping for 60 secs in the mouth, having consumed no food or drink for the last 1 hour.

Will do the others later, as a gap of 3 to 4 hours is reguested.

All in all a piece of cake - can't wait for the results.

DNA project - update

Currently we have two results with no match. We have two more results that are being processed and we should hear more from Familytree DNA in July. I have my fingers firmly crossed for at least one match.

It occurred to me over the weekend that whilst I am encouraging others to take a DNA test, I haven't yet had mine done. Now obviously with PIMBLE on my maternal side there is not going to be a match, however it will be interesting to see where my branch of the COOKE's originated. I have now order my DNA kit and it should hopefully arrive soon.

The wait for results is frustrating but it has such potential to link family groups.

Official Papers 1625 in the reign of Charles I

The following appears in the Official Papers in 1625.

May 10. 43. Francis Lord Russell to Sec. Conway. Pimble, a post-master at Charing Cross, has refused to convey a packet containing a letter from his Majesty, with the writers directions to the Dep. Lieuts. of Devon to act thereon, by pressing 400 men, and to have them ready on the 25th inst.

I need to find out what happened next!

Two new contacts via GenesReunited

GenesReunited doesn't always get good press with fellow genealogists. However broadly I am a fan, I have made a number of good contacts over the years. Indeed I have made two good, friendly and very helpful contacts in the last few days.

In each case they have been able to solve some of the problems I had with linking people without buying BMD certificates and hopefully they have, and will continue to, benefit from research I have done and am prepared to do on their behalf.

Thanks to Nicki and Kerry for your help so far.

Of course, not all contacts made through GenesReunited result in a two-way exchange. For some it is a passing interest in genealogy whilst they then get on with their busy lives. Hopefully they will remember me when they want to delve a little deeper.

For others there is the quite understandable suspicion about the motivation of someone who contacts them out of the blue and who they don't know, but who wants to know about their family. Believe me I do understand, but for me this for me a very satisfying hobby. The Jigsaw puzzle where there are no straight edges and no picture to guide me.

Genghis Khan and a FREE DNA test

I've just been reading a newspaper article about a U.S. Accountant, whose family came from Cumbria in the the UK. Through a DNA test he has had his ancestry linked directly to Genghis Khan, the 13th century warlord.

We can't promise you such exciting ancestors, however it does perhaps illustrate the potential for male line Y-Chromosome DNA testing. If you would like to read the article go to Genghis Khan

Lance and I need a few more PIMBLE people to sign-up for DNA testing to make those essential links between family groups and enhance the genealogy information we currently have and can share with you.

If you are a PIMBLE male, have an unbroken male line and are descended from one of our targetted ancestors, then please contact me and I will pay the cost of the DNA test.

Obviously I can't afford to do this for too many people and therefore it needs to be limited in quantity.

If you are tempted, feel free to contact me and we can discuss it some more. Want to read some more about DNA testing?, visit the link on the right.

Gerald

DNA PROJECT - latest

The first two DNA test results do not show a match.

Another kit is being processed and results will be due in July. One other test will follow, those results will probably not be available until August.

Genes Reunited

Welcome to any of you that end up here in response to my emails via GenesReunited.

I periodically check GenesReunited for potential new PIMBLE / PYMBLE contacts in the hope that we can assist each other in discovering more about the name and the people. Please feel free to contact me anytime.

Gerald

Another sign-up to the PIMBLE DNA project!

This time Arthur who we believe is descended from Thomas PYMBLE born circa 1801 in Ballingham, Herefordshire. Interestingly Arthur's surname is not PIMBLE or PYMBLE, as one of his ancestors, who was one of the children of Thomas and Esther, changed his surname between 1881 and 1891.

PIMBLE in NZ continued

It seems that Claire's husband is not related to the early NZ PIMBLE's but is actually descended from Ann PIMBLE baptised 19 April 1818 in Hartpury, Gloucestershire daughter of William & Hannah. Ann married William APPERLEY in 1838 also in Hartpury.

A new contact from Australia

Came back from a weekend in Bucks (thanks Ray & Christine) to find a new contact from another Raymond but this one in Australia.

The PIMBLE PhpGedView website is certainly generating more contacts than my older, more amateur sites. However I must update the references to the DNA project to be more than just a link.

New contact in NZ

I have today received a contact from Claire in New Zealand and that is exciting. Several interesting references to PIMBLE in NZ in the 1800's and it will be interesting to see how this develops.

DNA PROJECT - update 22 April 2006

Good news on Thursday. Derek descendant of George PIMBLE born c1796-1801 (that's George born in 1796-1801 not Derek!) has agreed to take a DNA test to add to the first two. A kit is in the post to him now and we should have results in the next couple of months.

George married in Swindon Village, Cheltenham in 1829 but we haven't yet been able to find his place of birth. A match might assist us in doing that.

Very keen to get tests from the descendants of John PIMBLE born about 1788 in Hentland and the PIMBLE family from the Taynton/Hartpury/Maisemore area of Gloucestershire, England.

In 1841 George was in Staffordshire. He died before the 1851 census which would have given us his birthplace.

Recent contacts

People with whom I have been in contact during the last 4/5 weeks include:

1. Charles based in the US.
2. Starling based in the US.
3. Lisa based in the US.
4. Aileen based in the US.
5. Julie based in the UK.
   
6. Lance PYMBLE based in Australia. (Lance is heading up the DNA Project)
   

Charles has kindly agreed to participate in the DNA project, has taken delivery of and has returned his test kit. We are looking forward to reviewing his results inn the coming few weeks.

We are looking for additional participants, feel free to contact Lance or me. Click on the links on this page for more detail.

Gerald

New Blog started

New today.

I will posted news about the One-Name study as it arises. My hope is that the blog will attract a wider audience to the Study and hope some of you will become involved by posting here.

Gerald